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Penfold
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Posted - 15/06/2008 :  22:44:20 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are the Town Council aware of the response sent out by the Clerk? Could the Town Councillors on the forum maybe comment on it and confirm whether it is a response from the Town Council or a response from the Town Clerk acting without consulting them?
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pierre
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Posted - 16/06/2008 :  08:14:01 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have asked in past correspondence (copies of the letter in this thread) to have the mayor check everything, but that is not their policy.

The letter came from "Tredegar Town Council", unfortunately enough.....
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morgan.m
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Posted - 17/06/2008 :  09:01:35 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The town clock facts
Jun 19 2008 by Our Correspondent, Gwent Gazette

TREDEGAR Town Council are setting the record straight about rumours circulating about the town clock restoration.

Work on the clock is now completed, except for the new lights, which the council say cannot be put in place until planning permission is hopefully granted next month.

The lights are high intensity, low energy models, produced by Herian, but due to the clock being Grade II listed building consent had to be obtained from CADW, via Blaenau Gwent Council’s planning department.

However, rumours that the lights will not be making an appearance are not true says town council clerk John Evans.

He says: “A lot of damaging rumours about the clock have been circulating in Tredegar and have even been spread via the web to a wider audience.

“In order to stop these rumours, which are totally false, Tredegar Town Council feels it necessary to provide accurate up-to-date information.

“Facts instead of rumours.

“The plans for the lights were not at first acceptable. They now are, but because of the change of regime at Blaenau Gwent Council, the planning committee will not meet until July 24. The determination of the application is not a delegated decision.

“As a consequence, Tredegar Town Council has decided to replace the lighting in the clock faces with conventional fluorescent tubes as an interim measure. We fully expect the new lights to be installed and operational before autumn.”

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pierre
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Posted - 17/06/2008 :  10:28:24 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The problem is, that we have only posted copies of the letters that were sent out by Tredegar Town Council for all to see.

Are they now saying these are false ?

All we have done is to ask questions, look at this thread for yourself...

Are they saying that Blaenau Gwent Council planning Dpt are wrong ?

Would they like us to go to the Gwent Gazette with the letters that Tredegar Town Coucil sent us ?

"lot of damaging rumors about the clock have been circulating in Tredegar and have even been spread via the web to a wider audience"

Not rumors mate, simple copies of letters that Mr Evans from the council sent out to a person living in the town. You cannot get out of this that easy. Its in black and white !

Also is this the "wider audience" that you said in a letter from Tredegar Town Council does not concern people that do not live in the town ? Make your mind up man !

"but because of the change of regime at Blaenau Gwent Council", so they are saying its Blaenau Gwents Councils fault for the delay." Lets remind everybody what I said a few weeks ago about finger pointing !

Also it must be said that it does look like they are saying that now labour has lost control of Blaenau Gwent council "change of regime", its their fault. Tredegar Town Cocunil is "Labour" controlled.

Strange, I don't think so.....

Good to see then that have been reading this web-site, and running to the Gwent Gazette. It still does not cover the fact of the contents of the letter they have sent out, does it now Mr. Evans.

The Internet will always be here, and also will the copies of the letters received by the Town Council, along with the questions asked.

Simply read the forum, and make your own mind up, its not hard....

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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 17/06/2008 :  10:49:34 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a fact for you...

"TREDEGAR TOWN COUNCIL TOOK ALMOST 6 MONTHS, AND THREE ATTEMPTS TO FILL IN THE PAPERWORK TO FINISH THE CLOCK", quote - Blaenau Gwent Council.

Evans wouldn't know a "fact" if it came up and bit him on the peach.

See this:-
quote:
Jun 19 2008 by Our Correspondent, Gwent Gazette


"Our Correspondent" indicates the author of the article is none other than J.P.R. Evans (or an associate), certainly NOT the Gwent Gazette or any of its journalists.

We shall await clarification.

In the meantime, the Fix The Tredegar Clock Petition is still available on-line should you wish to add your signature.
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llanover
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Posted - 20/06/2008 :  01:24:54 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've just read that article. Can I safely assume that it was aimed at this site?? Is the man not aware that with modern technology that article is seen around the world?(yes, even we colonials 12,000 miles away can read!)
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 21/06/2008 :  22:37:47 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vintage Clock Parade Marks Time.
Source - BBC News.

Residents are celebrating the 150th anniversary of a south Wales valley town's iconic clock.

The cast-iron 72ft (22m) Tredegar clock was the idea of an ironmaster's wife who helped raise £1,000 to build it.
Built in 1858 when Queen Victoria had reigned for 21 years, the landmark later became the focal point of events marking the end of World War II.
Residents of the Blaenau Gwent town will parade to the listed clock to sing happy birthday for the celebration.
Its clock's four faces were designed to be seen from all areas of the town and it was placed for the convenience of iron and coal workers in the area.
The clock may never have been built if it had not been for the fund raising efforts of Mrs RP Davis, the wife of the manager of Tredegar Iron Company.
Mrs Davis tried to raise £500 by organising a bazaar and other events in the town after her wealthy husband had agreed to hand over the other £500.
But Mrs Davis died before the bazaar took place, and was never to see her work come to fruition.
The residents raised £400 in total but Mr Davis gave an extra £100 on top of the £500 he had promised in memory of his wife.
"It was cast in Newport and transported in sections by tram to Tredegar," said Tredegar town clerk and historian John Evans.
"The installation started in 1856 and the clock first ran in 1858.
"The mechanism was made by a firm called JB Joyce from Whitchurch in Shropshire.
"JB Joyce still services it now, 150 years later."
Dr Evans said the clock also made the news in the late 19th Century when it was hit by lightning, sending the weather vane crashing to the ground.
"It was a well-known spot for ladies of the night to gather," he said.
"The clock was struck by lightning and the cockerel came off the top and hit one of these ladies.
"She recovered, according to some reports, but died according to others.
"The clock had a lightning rod on it for some time until someone pointed out it was cast iron and didn't need it!"
The clock was also the scene of celebrations in the town on both Victory in Europe Day and Victory in Japan Day at the end of WWII in 1945.
Trevor Jones, 78, who has written a song about the clock and was a milkman in Tredegar for 57 years, remembers VE Day clearly.
"The crowds filled up The Circle around the clock, and the streets beyond," he said.
"There was a big uplift because the war was over and we had won and everyone was glad of an excuse to let go of their feelings.
"One of the other big events here was in 1929 when Nye Bevan was made a Member of Parliament and it was announced from the balcony opposite the clock."
More recently, the clock stopped ticking in 2007 after rain affected its mechanism.
But its former glory has been restored following refurbishment work costing around £80,000.
Dr Evans said: "The clock's so historical, it's known worldwide.
"You talk to anybody from Tredegar and they want to know about the clock - if the clock is still working, if the clock is still here, if it's been taken away.
"And it is very much still here!"



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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 23/06/2008 :  11:05:34 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A very special submission, by forum regular - Bryan Rendell.

What happened in and around Tredegar, before, and perhaps after 1858.

As the celebrations go on in Tredegar to commemorate the 150 years of our town symbol "the Town Clock" I have done some research on conditions before and after this period.

The Industrial Revolution was in full swing and thousands were flocking to the valleys to find work. They came from all over Britain, Ireland and even Spain.

Around Tredegar:-

For relaxation there was mountain fighting by men and women. Many of the women were better than the men.

Children as young as six years of age had to work. Many were involved in terrible accidents and were maimed for life. They had jobs like opening the ventilation doors in the mines, working in total darkness ; some 8 and 9 year old had to drag the coal from the coal face and others who worked near the furnaces were disfigured when the furnace sometimes ‘spit’.

Iron workers- puddlers had blistered faces, hands bandaged. They were heavy in the legs as their joints dried out. Some were nearly blind and some were short of an arm or a leg and on crutches. If a puddler was caught by a ‘spit’ in the face or chest , their blood boiled with the heat . The pain was so intense that many bit the tops off their fingers.

The young children had to be carried to and from work by their parents when the shift finished. The families usually lived in squalor and many children starved to death or froze to death at their work place. Then they had to cope with outbreaks of cholera, which ravaged the valleys from time to time.

Irish and Spanish immigrants were treated as cattle. The women had ropes attached to them and had to pull the drams up the inclines

before balance shafts were dug to take the drams up and down the hillsides. They worked harder than the men as they also had many children and they had the worry of looking after them also. Many big families were so poor that young girls were sold into Service, a polite word for slavery for 11 to 15 shillings. They were s**ually abused by their owners and although working seven days a week for food and keep they only sometimes received a shilling a month.

As the Iron and Coal Masters got richer and built huge houses to display their importance and wealth the workers were further exploited by The Truck or Tally shop, a Company shop where they had to spend their wages. Prices increased ,sometimes due to the prices of the foreign markets, and the poor workers and their families became more and more dissatisfied. It was during these periods that many joined a Union.

As the furnaces were working 24 hours a day, week in week out maintenance was neglected and many exploded. They had to be rebuilt and whilst this was going on the workers were laid off, having to fend for themselves. Many died of starvation. If the workers demanded more money the Coal owners and Iron Masters would lock -out the workers and employ cheap labour, usually the poor starving Irish. They had to suffer the insults and beating of their Union co-workers as well as being the butt of ‘The Scotch Cattle’. The Scotch Cattle was led by a ‘Bull’ and they bellowed and raged and beat up the non union men, whipping them and burning their furniture and houses.

It was at this time that ‘The Chartist Movement’ came into existence. Men stole iron from their work place and forged it into pikes, spears axes and swords, in caves that were in and around the mountainside. They stole guns from soldiers and gunpowder from the various quarries that were around.

The Chartist Movement was basically led by 3 men. John Frost, Zephaniah Williams and Jones the Watchmaker who led the marches to Newport.

John Frost led the group from the Western Valleys.

Zephaniah Williams led the group from Tredegar, Sirhowy, Pengam, Blackwood and Brynmawr.

Jones the Watchmaker led the Pontypool men.

Of the thousands that started out so enthusiastically only a few hundred finally arrived to attack The Westgate. Here they were slaughtered by the murderous fire of the Red Coats. Those who survived were hunted down and taken prisoner to

Usk and Monmouth Prisons, some to be hung and others to be deported to Australia.

Thank goodness times have changed over the years that our Town Clock has stood in The Circle. If only it could tell us the story of it’s 150 years.
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 01/07/2008 :  11:46:13 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pupils Show Their Skills.
Source - WalesOnline.

PUPILS at Tredegar Comprehensive school have made sure the town clock will never be forgotten by making a huge tribute to the much-loved monument.

The masterpiece mosaic, that is now fixed on the entrance to Commercial Street, is made up of 150 tiles, a tile for every year the clock has existed.
Leanne Greenway, the school’s head of art, oversaw the project.
“We used two representatives of each year group to work on the project,” she said.
“Older students Francis Trace, Adam Williams and Jessica Phillips worked on the clock while members from our student council worked on the rest.
“It was nice for the children to work on something that will be displayed in the town because it is all about their heritage.
“I have to thank Kevin Driscoll who helped me oversee the making of the finished project.
“I think it looks amazing and I have had a lot of positive feedback.
“The unveiling ceremony was very good and the school choir and teacher Emma Cavender-Morris came down to make the whole thing go really well.
“The Town Mayor John Morgan put the last tile in and it was a very successful event, it was lovely for all the pupils.”



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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 13/02/2009 :  10:20:26 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hear the lights are out on the Town Clock...

Again!

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pierre
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Posted - 12/06/2009 :  21:44:34 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now its been in the local press in the last week or two about the new town clock for Ebbw-vale (for those that do not know, Ebbw vale is a few miles from Tredegar, and the location for the main Blaenau-Gwent office. Ebbw-vale do not have a town council).

Now who pays for the maintenance of this new clock?
Indeed if its done via grant money, then who does the management of the works ?

Is it Blaenau-Gwent Council ?

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pierre
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  11:05:13 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Tredegar Town Clock has stopped working again, and its been several months now since it was working and no update or statement from Tredegar Town Council why our clock is not working..

so recently, (14/07/2009) we sent an email to TTC asking why the clock wasn't working and what was being done about repairs.

To whom it may concern,

We represent the www.Tredegar.co.uk website, based in Tredegar.

It has recently come to our attention that the famous Town Clock in Tredegar, has once again stopped working, showing a static time, of 5:55.
Could you please pass on any information concerning this most recent problem with the clock, and the efforts underway to repair it.

Thanking you in advance, ...


_____________________________________________________________

We have received the reply that can be seen below...

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Cloud-Collector
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  12:10:01 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ahhhh........... the reply............a fine example of helpful communication at it's worst.............Looks like another long drawn out process...............for the sake of accuracy perhaps they should change their headed notepaper to show 5.55 instead of 9 O'clock
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  12:18:40 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Folks,

Many moons ago, this Forum constructed an online petition for submission to TTC to fix the Clock before it had its birthday. (See page 1 of this thread)

We submitted it once, and were contacted by Gwent Police, we kid you not.

The Petition is now once again active, and we will submit it to TTC again.

Please sign it here:- http://www.petitionthem.com/?sect=detail&pet=3850

Thanks.
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pierre
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  15:05:45 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you notice that they crossed out the .uk bit at the end of their web-site address.

They must have spent our money on getting letterheads printed (£26,000 in six years on office stationery, well what else can you spend it on ?).
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  15:11:43 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pierre

(£26,000 in six years, well what else can you spend it on ?).


Well obviously this didn't work for the Town Clerk...





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uncle bob
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Posted - 04/08/2009 :  15:31:19 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
our town clock
Didn't the town council have some sort of guarantee for the work carried out? as the money came from the money pit (council tax) this probibly was not in the contract?
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GOM
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Posted - 04/08/2009 :  15:56:02 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Guarantee?? I dout if our council even know what one of them is.

Shame on the council shame on the councillors.

Are they interested NO it seems not, only in it for what they can get for themself.



The G.O.M. in a right mood today must be this lousy weather.





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pierre
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Posted - 04/08/2009 :  16:25:15 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blaenau-Gwent Coucnil should be responsible for the maintenance of the Tredegar Town Clock. Simple as that !

They have the people (mechanical engineers, Electrical engineers, Project managers, etc, etc), to look after it correctly, something that Tredegar Town Council does not. Would the new clock in Ebbw be left in such a state? I think you know the answer to that one....

Our clock has been broke more then working over the last few years. Even after a big refurnish (which took over one year to do !), they are still saying its down to the water in the clocks works.

Guess what Tredegar Town Council, it rains in Tredegar !
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uncle bob
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Posted - 04/08/2009 :  16:42:59 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Don't talk wet pierre--sorry!
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 07/08/2009 :  08:46:03 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In a field in Cheshire stands a straw reproduction of Big Ben.



The owner of the land (a farmer) built it to celebrate Big Ben's 150th birthday.

The clock keeps the correct time.





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gjj43
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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  11:39:30 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did my ears and eyes deceive me or are they finally repairing the clock! walking past this morn at 10.15 hands going round ten to the dozen and bonging away merrily, then i spotted the repair men,MMMM wonder if it will be right now
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pierre
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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  12:09:43 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do hope so gjj43. Thanks for the update.
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  12:53:33 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cheers gjj43.




Help Fix The Tredegar Clock - http://www.petitionthem.com/?sect=detail&pet=3850
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GOM
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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  14:11:26 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seemed to be working at 11.00 this morn as I went past it goodie.



The G.O.M. if it keeps working that will be one less thing to get grumpy about. have a nice day all.





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