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Posted - 23/08/2007 :  10:24:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Socialist minds at work again...

The government said it had finished a consultation on "pay-as-you-throw" and was looking at changing the law.

A Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs spokeswoman said: "We would need to change the law to introduce variable waste charges and it might be possible to do something in the Climate Change Bill.

"It would be a cost-neutral option, not a stealth tax, and local authorities could only take it up if they had the infrastructure to enable people to recycle."

The LGA said its survey showed public support for changing the law to allow councils to introduce waste charges.

The three schemes outlined by the LGA are:

Householders buy different sized pre-paid rubbish sacks, which it says would be practical in urban areas

Wheelie bins fitted with microchips allowing rubbish to be weighed as it is dumped into the refuse truck

Homes choose the size of their wheelie bin and are charged accordingly

And 64% of the population think this is a good idea and is somehow going to cost them less money....

Will council tax (rates) paid to BGCC be reduced to cover this?

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Posted - 27/08/2007 :  19:32:10 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I bet the consultation cost more than a years rubbish collecting,i suppose there would be more admin costs which is always a good excuse for a rise of some sort.What about those who dont pay council tax will they be charged?.If not they wont give a toss so its back to square one.
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Posted - 28/09/2007 :  13:54:33 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think 'pay as you throw' would work.
People would just dump their rubbish (fly tipping), or burn it, to avoid the charge.
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Posted - 26/10/2007 :  09:18:47 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bins charges decision 'delayed'.

A decision on introducing controversial "pay as you throw" charges for rubbish has been delayed, the BBC understands.
Defra was expected to announce as early as Thursday it would go ahead with bin charges - a document outlining the plans has been seen by the BBC. But Defra said no final decisions had been made on the charges, aimed at boosting recycling rates in England.
The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg said sources had suggested Downing Street had "put a stop" to the idea.
She said Defra had been all set to go ahead with the announcement and had prepared the text, but it appeared there was a split between opinion in Defra and Downing Street.
Our correspondent added that a source close to Gordon Brown had said "He may dump the whole idea".
The document stated that the government was committed to changing the law to enable councils to charge people for their waste as an incentive to encourage them to recycle.
But on Wednesday Defra said there would be no announcement and that it had reached no final decisions.
A spokeswoman said: "This is a complex issue and we need to strike the right balance.
"Of course the driver is that we must reduce waste and recycle more but we have to make sure we have the right mechanisms in place to allow this to happen.
"We will bring forwards our proposals shortly."
A Downing Street spokesman would not comment on the timing of ministerial announcements.
The Conservatives say the charging scheme would lead to a huge increase in fly-tipping and backyard burning.
Shadow local government secretary Eric Pickles said: "I'm afraid this was doomed from the very beginning, so all those councils that put chips into their bins must be wondering why Mr Brown made them waste all that money."
In May the then environment secretary David Miliband announced proposals that English local authorities be allowed to bring in charges, to make householders who were not recycling pay more than those who did.
It was suggested that "green" homes could get £30 a year back from their council, while non-recyclers pay an extra £30.
The European Union Landfill Directive requires member states to cut the amount of biodegradable municipal waste being sent to landfill sites.
It requires a 25% reduction on 1995 levels by 2010, and a 65% cut by 2020.

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Posted - 30/10/2007 :  07:33:37 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rubbish Charging Given Go-Ahead

Councils in England are to be given the power to introduce pilot schemes to charge households according to the amount of rubbish they throw away.
It comes as MPs warn the UK could face fines of up to £180m a year from the European Commission if it does not cut the amount of waste dumped in landfill.
Last week, plans for a pay-as-you-throw rubbish charge were apparently shelved.
Conservatives accused the government of a U-turn over plans and said such schemes will lead to more fly-tipping.
The shadow communities secretary Eric Pickles said: "What we should be doing is increasing recycling. We can do that without doing it through a bin tax. The scheme would lead to a surge in fly-tipping, people dumping their waste in neighbours' gardens and more back garden bonfires." he said.
Last week, it was reported that Defra had been all set to announce the scheme could go ahead, but Downing Street intervened and Gordon Brown was reported to have been unenthusiastic.
Waste minister Joan Ruddock dismissed Conservative accusations that the government was confused.
"We all know we can't go on putting rubbish in holes in the ground. We need to find new ways and these sorts of schemes and incentives may be part of that."
Meanwhile, the Commons public accounts committee has claimed ministers have been too slow to react to a 1999 EU directive on waste.
It says there is a "significant risk" that new composting plants and rubbish incinerators will not be up and running in time to meet its targets.
PAC chair Edward Leigh urged ministers to promote large-scale recycling.
Under the EU directive, the UK must reduce the amount of biodegradable waste going into landfill from the 18.1m tonnes dumped in 2003/4 to 13.7m tonnes in 2010, 9.2m in 2013 and 6.3m in 2020.
The committee said this meant not only encouraging householders to recycle and compost more of their rubbish, but also there was a need for new energy from waste power plants capable of processing up to 15m tonnes each year.
However, MPs conceded the development of waste plants tended to be "unpopular" with the public and entail construction delays because of large scale protests from locals opposed to schemes.
Mr Leigh said it was time for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) to "take the tough decisions and practical steps" needed to get more people recycling.
Defra knew about the EU targets long before 1999 but has been slow to react, taking no effective action before 2003, his committee's report said.
The amount of biodegradable waste dumped in English landfill sites was cut by 2.3m tonnes to 12.4m tonnes between 2003/4 and 2005/6, requiring a further reduction of 4.9m tonnes to comply with the 2013 maximum allowance set by the EU.
Biodegradable materials dumped in landfill sites, such as food, vegetation and paper, generate methane and other emissions to the soil that can be harmful to health.
Some 3% of the UK's climate change emissions come from methane in landfill.
The MPs noted that 57% of the public "are already committed recyclers but householders can find it confusing to determine what items should be put in each bin".
Mr Leigh said: "The UK has traditionally got rid of its rubbish by pouring large quantities of it into holes in the ground. Faced with the 1999 EU Directive limiting the amount of biodegradable waste sent to landfill, Defra issued no fewer than four vaguely-worded consultation papers and strategies on waste management - but did little else. If the UK misses these targets, taxpayers will have to stump up the money to pay a huge fine to the European Commission. The department must now take the tough decisions and practical steps needed to promote large-scale recycling. This will involve making it clear who is going to pay for the initiatives outlined in its latest strategy in May 2007 It will involve giving members of the public clear guidance on what they can and cannot put into their recycling bins."
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Posted - 12/11/2007 :  07:45:54 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your wrong to call them socialists they are just another wing of the tory party haven't you noticed how words like socialist,socialism and the left have disappeared from labour leaflets.
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Posted - 03/03/2008 :  22:53:59 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blaenau Gwent Is Least Fly-Tipped In Wales.
By South Wales Argus Newsdesk.

RECENT figures show Blaenau Gwent is the least fly-tipped areas in Wales.
During 2006 to 2007 there were 245 incidents reported across Blaenau Gwent and 11 fly-tippers were prosecuted.
To report fly-tipping problems in Blaenau Gwent, call on 01495 311556.
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Posted - 06/04/2008 :  00:00:18 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Householders Fear Cost Of Recycling.
by David Williamson, Western Mail.

HOUSEHOLDERS were yesterday warned they could face draconian bills in the Government’s efforts to increase recycling.

Councils are under unprecedented pressure to reduce the amount of waste sent to landfill sites.
The UK Government has increased the landfill tax by £8 a tonne to £32. It will rise to nearly £50 a tonne over the next three years. It is feared this will cost Welsh councils more than £10m.
Consumer groups yesterday warned the tax penalty could be passed on to council taxpayers in the form of fines for not recycling.
There was also concern this would encourage councils to reduce the number of waste collections or start charging for the service.
Mark Wallace of the TaxPayers’ Alliance warned, “There’s a double-risk that some unscrupulous councils and politicians will see it as a great opportunity to raise a few quid and from taxpayers and there could be some well-meaning councils that are simply incompetent.
“More than 60% of the public are worried taxes are being justified not because of green morals but to raise money.”
He urged councils to ensure that recycling schemes were not complicated. He said, “If you’re adding regulation to people’s lives you are adding hassle.”
Monmouth Conservative MP David Davies said, “In my mind there is a danger this is being used as a cash cow by the Government which is not doing enough to provide recycling facilities and taxpayers are going to have to foot the bill.”
The Welsh councils which recycle or compost the greatest percentage of waste are Ceredigion (45%), Wrexham (43%), Conwy and Powys (both 41%).
The worst performers are Blaenau Gwent (15%), Merthyr Tydfil (24%), Cardiff, and Denbighshire (both 27%).
Jane Davidson, the Assembly Environment Minister, wants councils to hit a target of 70% by 2025. Ms Davidson yesterday announced grants worth £50m to encourage food recycling. Cardiff will receive the largest grant (£5m) with Merthyr Tydfil allocated just £845,836.
Ms Davidson said, “Food waste is an area of great potential and exploiting this will be essential if we are to continue increasing the amount of waste we recycle and divert from landfill. It is of particular importance in the fight against climate change because when deposited in landfill food waste generates methane, a greenhouse gas 21 times as potent as carbon dioxide.”
A spokeswoman for the Welsh Local Government Association said it was essential people embraced recycling to reduce the cost burden on councils.
She said, “The landfill tax increase over the next three years is an additional burden and will amount to approximately £10.2m for Welsh local authorities in 2008-09 and similar amounts for the next three years.
“No additional funding will be available to councils to cover this increase, therefore meaning that £10.2m will have to be taken off core waste budgets.”
Lindsey Kearton, senior policy officer at the Welsh Consumer Council, urged local authorities not to abandon weekly collections.
She said, “There are situations, particularly in more built-up areas, where there could be health hazards associated with that. They do have to consider health and safety issues when thinking about policies like that.”
She also cautioned against charging for collections, saying, “It would be seen as additional tax.”

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Posted - 21/04/2008 :  16:28:46 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Did you realise that businesses in BG are already being charged to recycle (from 1st April 2008)? So what do think most will do now? BGBC obviously know what they are doing -don't they?

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